David Wygant is a pick-up artist community “flip-flopper”

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I received three newsletters from David Wygant this weekend. Like the Venusian Arts, I think he is getting a bit too “email happy” and I’m going to have to unsubscribe.

Here is a part of a recent newsletter I received from him:

Anyone who is familiar with my work knows that I am not about teaching men how to “pick women up” …

Because really, there is no such thing as “picking up women.”

Think about how ridiculous that terminology is:

Two guys are heading to the mall and one guy says to the other “Hey Eric, let’s pick up some women today.”

First of all, a lot of you aren’t even in good enough shape to be able to physically pick up women.

Think about this for a second.

Let’s say a woman weighs 130 pounds. You have to walk over, pick her up and then you have to hold her in your arms and carry her.

That is what “picking up women” really means.

Doesn’t this show how silly this concept really is?

So, here are 3 reasons why there really is no such thing as “picking up women”:

1. The Concept of “Picking Up Women” Is Ridiculous. Most of us really don’t want to go and lift total strangers over our head. “Picking up women” is very childish terminology.

You don’t want to be known as a pickup artist - it sounds like you’re 13 years-old when you call yourself things like a ‘master pickup artist.’

Plus, women really don’t like to be “picked up.”

If you pick them up, you may mess up their hair or you may drop them. Nobody likes to be picked up and dropped. You CAN pick up groceries, your dry cleaning, pet food or dinner, but you cannot pick up women!


This is even less funny than Extramask saying “cunt” repeatedly.

David takes a simple word play and beats it to death, eats it, poops it out, kicks it down the stairs, throws it back up them and beats it again.

This type of wordplay wouldn’t make me laugh even if I was five years old.David Wygant as Baby Fozzie Bear

It reminds me of a joke Fozzie from the Muppet Babies would say right before he gets plummeted by rotten tomatoes.

It reminds me of the lame pirate jokes the guy in the cubicle next to me makes right before I hit him in the head with my Swingline.

“What is a pirate’s favorite restaurant? ARRRRRRRRRRRRbys!!!” Wooooooooooosssssh SMACK!!!

Here’s the truth: who gives a shit what terminology people use!

I don’t care if you say you are or want to become a “pick-up artist”, “master pick-up artist”, “player”, “Don Juan”, “Cassanova” or just be some girls “boyfriend”; I can read between the lines.

You are saying that you want to become better with women and there is not a DAMN THING wrong with that.

And as far as guys “hitting on”, “picking up” or just plain “talking to” women, once again who cares. It is all “in-house” terminology that means the same thing as far as I’m concerned.

If you are getting results that is all that matters.

Now on to David’s second part of the newsletter…

2. Women Want To Be The Lead In Their Own Romantic Comedy. Women do not want to be “picked up.” They want to be able to meet you and tell a story about how you met each other.

They want the story to go something like this: “I was shopping in Whole Foods and I reached for the last pint of chocolate ice cream.

All of a sudden, this man was reaching for the same pint of ice cream. So he looked at me and said ‘I’ll flip you for that pint of ice cream.’

Then he got out a quarter and asked me if I wanted heads or tails. We proceeded to talk, and I think he let me win the pint of ice cream. Anyway, I gave him my number and I can’t wait for ice cream man to call me.”

Women believe that life should be a fun, romantic comedy. They want to be able to tell their friends about how they met you. You want to be “ice cream man.” You do not want to be “pickup artist man.”

Not only that, but meeting a women under natural settings gives you a running inside joke right from the beginning. If you are a man and you don’t understand what I’m talking about, I suggest you rent any Hugh Grant movie.

You want to be able to be that lead in the romantic comedy. If you go in with a pickup line, you become the comedy.

Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that in his scenario these two people are at “WHOLE FOODS” and they are shopping for ICE CREAM!

Also…. did he ACTUALLY recommend watching a Hugh Grant movie?!?

The only possible situation in which I would recommend a man watching a Hugh Grant movie is if they accidentally drank poison, were out of ipecac and could not induce vomiting on their own.


Let’s be honest, the girl who roots for the nervously stuttering British-accented “nice guy” in the chick flick wouldn’t give him the time of day in real life. She would call him a good “friend” and then hop on the back of the Harley of a tattooed guy who grunts inbetween words when speaking.

In fact Hugh Grant knows it himself. He is a womanizing drunkard bad ass in real life. I highly doubt he met the women in his life by flipping quarters for ice cream at Whole Foods.

And as far as girls wanting a “fairy tale” story about their initial meeting of you, don’t worry. They’ll take any scenario and twist it into being incredibly romantic.

I was at a friend’s wedding and during the bride’s speech she told how my friend “danced into her life one magical night”.

Then the best man spoke and gave his view of the “magic” that happened that night:

“As I recall it, that night was a bit different than how the bride describes it. Joe was drunk off his ass at a club dancing with himself in a mirror until we pushed him toward the one girl who was left in the club and he proceeded to grind the shit out of her and talk incoherently while inadvertently spitting profusely on her.”

Not so romantic in actuality, was it?

Also if I was that best man, I would not be waiting by the mailbox for my housewarming party invitation because I don’t think it will be coming any time soon.

So let’s cut the bullshit and get to the real “meat” of David’s newsletter…

Understanding women on a deep level is one of the single biggest secrets to my success - and it’s the same for many of the other ‘naturals’ I know.

OHHHHHHHHHH, finally it makes sense. This whole newsletter was just about him blasting the pick-up community and more specifically routine-based game in order to pimp his “natural game”.

First, David speaks at the “PUA Summit” and was in an episode of “PUA Cribs“. Doesn’t “PUA” stand for “pick-up artist”, the term that David spends part of this newsletter trashing?

Face it, he associates himself with the community when it is beneficial and distances himself when it is not.

Since David likes to talk about politics so much, I would call him a pick-up community “flip-flopper“.

Secondly, I am neutral in the whole routine vs. natural battle but I have one question…

If natural game is so great, why do they have to blast routine game ALL THE FUCKING TIME!

You never hear the gurus who are advocates of routine game talking shit about natural game.

Start having your newsletters SHOW us why your natural system is the way to go rather than spending the majority of the time TALKING shit about routine game and the PUA community.

Click here to visit David’s site…

A little less conversation, a little more action.
-Elvis Presley, 1968

It’s casual.
-Mack Tight, 2008

PS: This isn’t no make-believe Mack Tight vs. David Wygant bullshit like the recent scripted and preplanned Ross Jeffries beef created to sell seminars and videos. This homie don’t play that shit. I keeps it real!

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  • David Wygant
    May 12th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    Mack Tight?

    Is that how you introduce yourself to women with your boyish knickname:)

    I always get a great laugh out of your posts!!!

    Is Mack The Knife your dad?

    Or your favorite food a Big Mac?

    Its funny you describe yourself in the about section but don’t have the balls to put up a picture.

    Are you afraid that people will see who you really are and you will be teased in public for using such a ridiculous knick name.

    Always fun to hear your thoughts!!!!

    My interns feel the need to send me these links and yours is always highly entertaining!!

  • Kevin
    May 12th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    Hey Mack …

    I gotta tell ya man … the only thing I thought after reading your post is that you seem either bitter or jealous of this guy Wygant. From what I heard, he got the only standing ovation at that PUA convention last year, so apparently most guys who were there were not offended by his presence.

    If you don’t like his newsletter, then I’d say you’re making a good decision to unsubscribe - but think of it like a tv show you don’t like … you can always turn the channel!

    The excerpt you posted from Wygant’s newsletter also appears to me to be intended to be funny … so dude, just let it go!

  • Mack Tight
    May 12th, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    More lame Fozzie jokes…

    Failed attempt to change threads…

    Claim that his “interns” send him my links when we all know he subscribes to my feed himself…

    Bring on the perfectly timed flood of Wygant “lobbyists” for some damage control…

    So what’s the deal Wygant, are you a member of the pick-up community or not?????

    Quit riding the fence…

  • David Wygant
    May 12th, 2008 at 6:26 pm


    This was from my intern.

    .. has responded to your posts:


    Mack Tight // May 12, 2008 at 5:34 pm
    More lame Fozzie jokes…

    Lame attempt to change threads…

    Claim that his “interns” send him my links when we all know he is a feed subscriber himself…

    Bring on the perfectly timed flood of Wygant “lobbyists” for some damage control…

    So what’s the deal Wygant, are you a member of the pick-up community or not?????

    Quit riding the fence…

    I don’t watch the Muppets nor should you.

    So i don’t know who Fozzie is.

    Remember I am old:)

    No need to answer your question until I know who I am really talking too.

    Expose yourself Mr Mack Tight.

    You want to call me out…..its a two way street.

    Your name is……..

    Oh and by the way…..you are very good at making assumptions without ever speaking personally to me.

    You have my email……I don’t hide on posts behind fake names.

    Do you want to talk and learn what I am about feel free to contact me in my office.

    Anyone can, i answer all my emails


    Feel free to use it.

  • Ron Marciano
    May 13th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    “My interns feel the need to send me these links and yours is always highly entertaining”

    Man your lucky, having all those vigorous boys as interns and giving them a start, very generous of you

    “Do you want to talk and learn what I am about feel free to contact me in my office.”

    I’m sure he will, but make sure the interns have all left, he wouldn’t want to interupt anything…..

  • Yummy Stale Bread
    May 13th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    A few people in the community complain about community terminology, but I agree, call it one thing or another, it all means the same thing and the whole idea is for the woman to have a good impression of your interactions, you don’t introduce yourself as a pickup artist or a player, or whatever, so in-house terminology should not have an impact on the way a woman feels about your interaction with her. As for David Wygant being in the community or not, my view is that he is. You cannot speak at a PUA Summit, be in Mehow’s Infield Insider, etc. and not be part of the community. I would say that he may not be to the outside world as recognized a figure as say Mystery, Neil Strauss, Ross Jeffries, etc. as being connected with the community or apart of it, but he nonetheless still is.

  • Mack Tight
    May 15th, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    No links? Mack gets results…

  • Frank
    June 2nd, 2008 at 12:49 am


    you should check the ip address of the “Kevin” comment…

    i bet one of Fozzie’s interns left it!

  • dude
    June 3rd, 2008 at 5:14 am

    Thundercat made a post about him a cople yrs ago.

    heres some of the comments
    yea i remember that cat on made. He was a terrible teacher. Hes crazy if he thinks shit from the game CANT get you relationships. Fuck dates I just want to sweep the women off their feet quickly.

    Posted by: king | Feb 5, 2006 10:57:22 AM

    This guy gave a speech at my school, I don’t remember the specifics, but it was basically a lot of “be yourself” right off the bat type of stuff, none of it really clicked with me.

    Posted by: Regus | Feb 5, 2006 11:05:35 AM

    The movie “Hitch” was all about impressing a woman, or sweeping her off her feet as they called it, lol.

    It is a fairy tale, not the way it works irl.

    Posted by: a dude | Feb 6, 2006 7:56:54 AM

    I heard about this guy about three years ago from a friend of his literary agent. The most basic stuff imaginable. Not on par with the stuff we discuss here…

    Posted by: Edgar Mint | Feb 8, 2006 9:13:01 PM

    During his speech, i noted that i was the youngest one in the audience (21), and most of the people who came during his “Always talk to strangers” book signing were in the mid 30’s-40’s range, while during Neil’s book signing, it definitely was more youth oriented, 20’s to 30’s.

    sounds like most dont think he is up to par wth the pua stuff , that hes basic and maybe thats why he doenst say hes a pua

    and his audience is also older people. i heard they say his dating advice on the jon tesh radio show lol

  • Socialkenny
    July 29th, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    I had to give my input on this classic beef although it was some time ago.It was so crucial that I had to feature it in my latest blog post about PUA beefs.

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