Does Savoy remind you of Style?

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Here’s the second part of Savoy’s video talking about their upcoming Love Systems Super Conference 2008…

What the hell?!?

This video isn’t even about the Super Conference!

He is just going on about “dating science” once again while plugging Magic Bullets and the Routines Manual over and over…

…he’s worse than me!

Watching this video I finally realized who Savoy reminds me of…


The hand gestures, his head movement, his wardrobe, his voice and the way he rambles in the same monotone manner all scream STYLE. Add Style’s uneasy laugh and we have a perfect match.

Is being compared to Strauss a complement or a jab in 2008?

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  • Bobby Rio
    September 27th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    I dont think Savoy is as bad as Neil when it comes to making the audience uncomfortbale. Neil seems to have done a recent 180 in popularity huh? I can’t find anyone that has anything good to say about Strauss any more.

    But I do think that Love Systems would have been better off taking your advice awhile back and making someone like Cajun the face of the company. He just seems to have a broader appeal with the younger generation. I guess the problem would be Savoy would be risking giving one person too much power (ala Mystery) and could run into trouble down the line… I think its a sounder business move making himself the face of the company, but in the short term, I think having a younger more charasmatic guy like Cajun might give them a bigger boost.


  • Bobby Rio
    September 27th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    But on the flip side… Savoy does seem to have incredible pick up skills. So maybe he is genuninly the most qualified of his instructors to talk about pick up and dating.

    I’d really like to get to the Super Conference and meet more of thse guys in person.

  • Gregory Arkadin
    September 27th, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    How anyone could learn from savoy is beyond me. he has as much charisma as .Mr.. Rogers …corporate accountant turned pick up guru

    survivng as a pick up guru is going to ultimately boil down to marketing….
    they bascially all say the same thing

  • Truth
    September 28th, 2008 at 3:23 am

    Looking at these quotes, I think you guys are totally missing his point:

    “He is just going on about ” dating science” once again while plugging Magic Bullets and the Routines Manual over and over…”

    “I think its a sounder business move making himself the face of the company, but in the short term, I think having a younger more charasmatic guy like Cajun might give them a bigger boost./ So maybe he is genuninly the most qualified of his instructors to talk about pick up and dating.”

    “corporate accountant turned pick up guru”

    Dude, I hope you guys aren’t still thinking of trying to model yourselves after one guru, and trying to be like him. The reason Savoy is moving his company away from that is because it’s obvious that that concept DOESN’T WORK!!!!!!

    Since most of the best aspiring PUAs study from multiple gurus, because they’ve figured that out, why should anyone with a brain in their head promote the idea of having ONE person be the face of the company, and everyone who comes to that company learn from his instructors how to be like him….

    that’s retarded.

    It doesn’t work.

    For learning PU it’s as incomplete and outdated as peacocking is vs. sexy stereotypes.

    Whether Savoy has incredible pick up skills or not, neither you or I will ever be exactly like him, or like Cajun, or like Juggler, or Sean Messenger, or Asian Playboy, or like AFC Adam, or Johnny Soporno, or Hypnotica. The cool thing about Savoy’s company having 20 different instructors from short to tall, young to old, and every race, creed and color, is that they can check to see if the core skills they want to teach you, like teasing, role playing, etc., actually work for you no matter what your age, body type, race, creed, or location are, and the demographic of the girls you’re going after.

    Savoy’s biggest asset is that he IS a corporate CEO, he ran both and airline and a modeling agency, and he knows how to lead a team of people and hire the accountants and support staff to support them.

    Since no one person can develop as much new material in any of those areas as someone who spends most of their time concentrating on that area… that’s another flaw of the ‘guru we should all model ourselves after’….

    he has Braddock & Mr. M leading Social Circle Mastery & Inner Game, Soul and Sheriff leading Day/Direct Game, himself leading Relationship Management (Sheriff has taught that as well), Mr. M and Sheriff teaching you high end club game, and so on.

    Savoy’s core identity is as a CEO and organizer of a team of people, recognizing individuals unique talents and figuring out how they can best contribute to a greater whole…

    as a PUA, you should look at everyone in the market, figure out who has the best information that suits your goals and lifestyle, and matches your personality in a way that you can implement, and put together what works for you.

  • Frank
    September 28th, 2008 at 7:38 am

    Naw, Style hypes stuff up when it clearly can’t match the hype in any way. Savoy seems to be much more trustworthy and fair than most people on the net give him credit for. The video was explaining why the super conference is more specialized than an ebook, which makes sense. I would like to actually see the diversity in the instructors since at other places the guys I see are pretty uninteresting. With all those people going, superconference should be a good event!

  • SirSlick
    September 28th, 2008 at 10:19 am

    What is Neil doing nowadays anyway? I haven’t heard anything from him, whereas Love Systems is consistently improving their services.

    Just look at their programs they are releasing. They revamped their day game program, introduced the Social Circle Mastery and are releasing Inner Game and Relationship Management seminars. They are also releasing a DVD on relationship management so I would expect more DVD products from them in the near future.

    The fact that Savoy is a very good pickup artist AND a businessman (with a degree from Wharton that bastard, so jealous) who can actually lead a company, says that he’s someone who is trustworthy and someone you can learn from. Seriously, how many dating companies have a CEO that actually can run a business and is good with women?

    Savoy was in the book The Game and has been the longest in the scene. I’d rather have him as the face of a big dating company than Cajun, simply looking at their “track record”. Because of all these reasons, he appeals to a wide range of audience which is perfect for the company. Like if they would have another instructor on Keys To The VIP and he kicks ass, then of course for the shortterm I can imagine that he would get some exposure. But Savoy is someone who can think long-term and he knows what he’s doing.

  • Mack Tight
    September 28th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    Now you are starting to remind me of Savoy…
    Plug, plug, plug and plug some more…

  • DJ
    September 29th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    I’ve known both Neil and Savoy for quite a few years and I can’t say they really share much resemblance.

    They both are really good guys but since this is about Savoy, I’ll speak of my experience with him.

    I’ve always known Nick to be a good businessman with integrity and very honest…even when that honesty was not necessarily a popular opinion.

    I agree with Bobby…pulling together a diverse range of talent is a sounder business move these days. The community has a pretty high turnover rate and there is so much available now, that it makes sense to me that way…I’m sure that Nick, with his sharp business background, sees it that way as well.


  • Mack Tight
    September 29th, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    I hear a lot of people who appear to be associated with LS pumping their own instructors.

    That means very little to me…

    It is like me saying that eSeduce is the GREATEST seduction blog EVER…

    Don’t you think I may be a bit BIASED on that front?

    Why don’t we get videos of these gurus instead of just Savoy?

    Why does he seem to HIDE them?

    I wouldn’t take a boot camp with an instructor that I’m not familiar with just because he is part of well marketed company.

    Bring ‘em out, bring ‘em out!

    We want to see the guys you are talking up in action!

    Lets hear them speak for themselves for once…

  • Savoy
    October 1st, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    You can see Cajun, Soul, and The Don all on our You Tube channel -

    You can see and read their writings all over the place online (google their names), especially in The Attraction Forums (*removed*). There are also many articles in the Love Systems Publications library (*removed*). Their blogs are collected at *removed*.

    Unless the people commenting are using pseudonyms (doubtful, because I recognize some of the names and have met some of them), none of them are Love Systems instructors or employees or affiliates. Is this like the time you just assumed Thundercat had a business relationship with Love Systems because he said something positive about us? It often helps to have some evidence before making random accusations.

  • Mack Tight
    October 1st, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Please do not pepper comments with excessive external links.

    My comment clearly referenced videos so I consider multiple plugs for blogs, articles and forums to be spammy…

    Only I can be “spammy” on my own blog dammit!

    “It often helps to have some evidence before making random accusations.”

    Anyhow, why so defensive Nick?!?

    We just want to see more of your instructors instead of you!

    Let us form our own opinion about them.

    I admit what I’ve seen of Cajun I’ve liked…

    And the videos with Soul and Stickler had a rockin’ soundtrack to them, can’t say much else about them though…

    So let’s recap…

    It is of my opinion that Savoy reminds me of Style…

    Next, I want to see more quality videos of the LS instructors…

    There it is wrapped in a pink bow!

  • Savoy
    October 1st, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    You want to know where to find more video about more Love Systems instructors, but without hyperlinks. Hmmm, ok.

    Well, there is a channel for us on You Tube. Like I said, you will find video of Soul, The Don, and Cajun. You will also find 5.0. You’ll see new live approaches with sound, and 5.0 training a rock band to be good with women.

    If they’re hidden, they’re hidden in plain sight given that I tried to link to them. I’m not going to get into word games. If you want to see them, they’re there, and lots more are coming.

  • Mack Tight
    October 1st, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Are there really videos of your instructors that exist in the linked forums, blogs and articles that do not already exist in your YouTube account?!??

    If there are, I stand corrected…

    Otherwise all the videos that you describe are on the YouTube account which I left the link for and I’ve already seen, so what is the issue with me removing all the unnecessary plugs that you made?

    I’m making it less confusing for my readers to see your proof while keeping this comment section from being a link free-for-all…

    In fact I’ve already made individual posts with the Dr. Phil episode with The Don, Soul’s day game video and Cajun’s Keys to the VIP video on this blog making it even more erroneous.

    That’s really not much for videos if you ask me especially considering the number of instructors of all walks of life your company has…

    But I’m glad to hear you are making new videos of your instructors…

    That’s what I was after!!!

    I will be looking forward to watching them…

  • Savoy
    October 1st, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    Mack, I have no issue. This is your site and you should set whatever rules and make whatever edits you wish. I’m just teasing you.

    You’ll notice new vids today of 5.0 and Soul, by the way.

  • Mack Tight
    October 1st, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Wait a second… aren’t you the guy who charges people $8.50 a month to have their website in their signature on one of your forums?

    And you’re complaining I deleted some of your links?!?!?

    You ungrateful little bastard…

    I think you owe me some bank for all the plugs I’ve made and let you make!!!

    I accept Paypal, chocolate coins and travelers checks…

  • Savoy
    October 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Yeah, we did that once, and it worked out really well. And just for the hell of it because we’re talking about links, I’m going to link to the story behind that:

    Feel free to delete, I’m not complaining, I can’t even remember what it was that I was making fun of in the first place. And if you send me your mailing address, I will send you chocolate coins on the condition that you post a photograph of yourself opening or otherwise enjoying them.

  • Mack Tight
    October 1st, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    I kind of figured you’d chose that option out of the three you tightwad!!!

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