George Sodini, R. Don Steele and The Pick Up Artist / PUA / Seduction Community

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I’ve heard a lot of people make claims that the pick up community could have helped George Sodini and ultimately have prevented the catastrophe that happened yesterday…

I find such claims completely baseless and pointless after the fact such as this…

First, I want to say that it is evident that George Sodini WAS aware of the “pick up women” self-help sector.

In one of his videos, he shows a copy of R. Don Steele’s “ How to Date Young Women” book on his coffee table. It has also been proven by video that he attended a live R. Don Steele seminar.

If you are not familiar with R. Don Steele, he was one of the early players in the “pick up women” niche. In the early to mid-90s it was basically him and Ross Jeffries

Then Ross started getting more press, Steele got jealous and talked shit and then Ross sued Steele in 2000.

So basically George knew there were guys with his similar problems with women and there were people out there dedicated to helping people like him…

I’m VERY positive about the seduction community, hence this blog… BUT George Sodini had BIGGER problems!

When I had issues with women, I shared some of his negative views. I was frustrated. I blamed others for my problems, including my family and friends. I was even a bit misogynistic.

BUT… I drank Jack Daniels in order to build up the courage to approach and talk to women… NOT to build up the courage to shoot innocent people and commit suicide!

The seduction community can help you see what you are doing wrong. It can help you understand women and what they are going through. It can help you stop blaming others for your failure and start FIXING yourself. In the process, you start to admire and respect women.

But it CAN’T help you fix SERIOUSLY devious and dangerous thoughts. You MUST seek the help of a trained, certified psychiatric therapist in such a case…

I have a lot of faith in the topic of this blog, but I obviously believe George’s problems far exceeded anything covered here..

The pick up artist community is not a magic bullet that can cure every man’s problems. It DOES address a specific niche problem men have that tends to be vastly neglected by society and swept under the rug.

I would go to a guy who wears a fuzzy hat and who is good with women to learn how to become good with women myself. I would NOT go to a guy who wears a fuzzy hat who attempted suicide himself if I was thinking about killing people and committing suicide. You need to get your BIGGER problems straightened out first before you can straighten out your issues with women!

If there’s anything positive that can come out of such a terrible event, I hope it shines light on the problems men have with women. Maybe psychiatrists and doctors will learn more about the severity and learn how to treat it better and prevent serious cases of it from blowing up into the event that happened yesterday.

I also hope that the mass media will become more understanding of guys who are trying to improve themselves with women and those trying to help them…

…but just as sad as the event itself, I think it will go down as a NEGATIVE strike against the pickup community!




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  • Hammer
    August 8th, 2009 at 8:48 am

    I’m giong to have to disagree with you bro. His problems started out as everyones, they just got exacerbated over long periods of time. Sure, some of us may not ever no matter what go out and kill people, but I think you’re overestimating how far out there this guy started out.

    The thing is, dude, I know of at least two guys, Sinn, who is one of the most well known and well respected instructors in the business, and Doc Holliday, who is no longer teaching but was a part of Practical Pickup with Entropy for a couple of years, who actually attempted suicide and the community did in fact change their lives enough that they didn’t again.

  • Mack Tight
    August 8th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    You need to get your facts straight with Sinn if you are going to use him as an example to make your point…

    He attempted suicide AFTER he was successful with women and AFTER he was in the seduction community for some time. The same goes for Mystery, something I eluded to in this post and was well documented in The Game.

    Frustration with women and attempting suicide are two COMPLETELY different issues that are NOT correlative with each other. I don’t give a fuck what any marketer in the community tries to claim.

    I’m not trying to sell products in this post, I’m trying to make sure those who have serious mental problems get the proper help that they need to prevent situations like this in the future.

  • Ross Jeffries
    August 9th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    Funny that Steele makes a big deal of being a licensed Marriage and Family counselor who had training under psychologist Nathaniel Rand, yet he couldn’t spot what an obvious psycho this guy was.

    From time to time I’ve had guys this bad come to events or want to come to events. If they get to the events I’ll take them aside and gently suggest that they get professional help. offering them a full refund.

    If I happen to talk to them by phone first and get a sense they are this far gone, I will NOT admit them to an event.

    Steele should have seen how deeply disturbed this guy was and recommended professional help. Maybe he did see it and recommend it. But I doubt it.

    RJ

  • Ross Jeffries
    August 9th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    Among his problems, judging from the videos on Youtube and his blog

    1. Totally flat affect. He shows no emotional expression at all.

    2. He appears to be restraining/suppressing emotion. Look at the intensity of his eyes and the overall muscle tension he holds.

    In his blog, he shows very paranoid ideation: he talks about how 30 million women have rejected him, something virtually impossible. He also seems to think he is the only person to have problems with women; he talks about how every other man has had some success in this area at least “to some degree”.

    He also has depressive thinking: no matter what he does, nothing changes. He can’t make things the way he wants them to be.

    So we have someone who has very either/or black/white thinking. I’m sure he’s made SOME kind of progress with SOME woman at SOME point. He just discounts it or can’t see it through his haze of pain.

    He’s socially isolated entirely: not just women, but no friends and no family that he relates to.

    My guess is that in addition to the paranoid ideation, he also has no insight into how his non-verbal communication: voice tone, flat affect, suppressed rage, facial expressions effect others.

    Some sort of high functioning autism where the part of his brain that allows him to mirror the emotions of others just isn’t functioning.

    My non-professional take on it all.

  • Hammer
    August 10th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    When Sinn tried to commit suicide he was having success with women, but it was still out of frustration. He was living a lie, and felt like when he succeeded with women he was tricking them into bed. He talks about how he used to think to himself, “Wow, this girl thinks I’m actually cool! I have her so fooled.” This is at the core the same frustration. I’m not saying it’s normal to go and shoot someone; I’m just saying that I could imagine the average low self esteem person making some mistakes that wouldn’t make this seem as out there as you’re saying it is.

  • Mack Tight
    August 10th, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    @Ross

    All those assessments are easy to make AFTER reading his blog entries and AFTER knowing this event happened…

    To insinuate that Steele should have realized that this guy was such a nut is ridiculous.

    The guy took a workshop on developing the right attitude to attract women. There was about a dozen other attendees. There didn’t appear to be any 1-on-1 coaching of any sort. Steele and Sodini probably only directly spoke a few sentences with each other.

    That’s like blaming you if someone who attended a pickup summit you spoke at did something like this.

  • Bettifree
    August 15th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    To those lonely, frustrated, clueless males
    trying to “apply game” out there:

    Do you want to know why you fail? Let
    an actual female tell you for FREE.
    Usually, it is because you only want the
    prettiest, hottest, cutesy, most beautiful,
    YOUNGEST females. You want ladies
    half your age, with twice your looks! You
    treat plainer, older, heavier women with
    disdain or outright cruelty. Many of the
    women you insult or ignore in your frantic
    pursuit of Pretty Young THINGS, those
    “cows” or “dogs” … are kinder, more
    passionate, brighter, funnier, more
    Interesting AND better in bed than those
    heartless hotties. Like the song says: “if
    you want to be happy for the rest of your
    life, never make a pretty woman your wife”

    Exactly right. And if you prefer to be lonely
    forever, whine about how Megan Fox won’t
    give you the time of day and that Playboy
    centerfold hasn’t answered your love letter.
    By the way, Brad Pitt had some nerve
    marrying Angelina without giving me a
    chance. What the f-? After all, I’m a NICE
    GAL. Well, if I can’t get the handsome
    prince I deserve…
    or at least the best-looking guy at the
    Club, that’s proof that all men are
    A-holes and it’s time to start shootin’!

  • Holliday
    August 17th, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    I 100% agree with Mack on this issue. If you don’t have your shit together emotionally and mentally you shouldn’t even attempt pick up. You will only end up in unhealthy relationships and prove toxic to any females you get involved with.

    I’m speaking from experience.

    @ Hammer: Is Doc Holliday still a practicing PUA? If so I gotta change my handle… Dammit.

  • Doc Holliday
    August 18th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    Amazing what you find when you type your “name” into Google.

    I’m going to have to agree with this post’s author. The seduction community should not be used to treat serious problems like violent and self destructive behavior.

    And although I did at one time suffer from bad depression and have suicidal thoughts I can’t say that the seduction community was the reason I no longer suffer from those things today. Being more comfortable with women is not going to fix your problems. You have to become comfortable with yourself including your faults and shortcomings.

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