Passing an AMOG Test at Work by my Manager

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My boss has this little thing where he’ll have a discussion with someone else in the office and then out of the blue yell…

“Right Mack?” in an obnoxious manner.

I have no clue what they are talking about or what I am to agree to.

I used to think nothing of it and just yell back “Right Mike!” like a lemming…

But once I started learning more about the seduction community, I started thinking about what was really going on there.

One could say this is just a simple social “ping”… but I think there is more to it…

One could say it is just a “test” to see if I’m compliant as a subordinate… but I think it would be a stupid test considering I didn’t even know what I was to be agreeing to…

I really think it is a form of him “AMOGing” me (”AMOGing” basically means showing others that he is the stronger and more dominant male in the environment). He basically shows to the office that I’m his “YES” man… his dancing monkey.

What makes this hard is the Manager/Subordinate arrangement that we are in. It is quite obvious as far as the company goes he really is the alpha male over me. I recognize that arrangement and obey it by all means…

BUT I think this does not fall upon those confines.

When he continued to do it, it started to annoy me.

I started by saying “WRONG!” but realized that was not the right method.

It caused friction and oozed of defiance. Defiance is the same as being defensive in my book and if you have been reading this blog for any amount of time you know how I think that being defensive is one of the worst ways guys fail tests made by women.

Next, I tried just ignoring him and letting it hang. I continued being focused on my work as if he said nothing to me.

This made me seem like a social leper. It made me seem like either I was too overly engrossed in my work to answer or I was a stuck up dick and would not respond. Both were not what I was aiming for.

Finally today I think I found my perfect balance…

“Right Mack?”

I shifted my full attention to him giving him strong eye contact. I gave a brief pause and then said…

“Hey Mike! How’s it going?” in a strong, confident tone.

Simple…

I like it because it acknowledges him yet ignores his compliance test. Then I throw back an acceptable open-ended question that he should answer if he wants to obey the social pinging that he started.

Summary:

I think the key to this is that just because you are in a superior/subordinate position with someone, you just cannot be a lemming when the interaction does not involve your job.

I’ve had wings tell me that their managers’ respect them more for challenging them in regards to the discussion of arbitrary non-work related topics.

I think that “tests” are not unique to women and that there are constant “AMOG tests” amongst men that help determine their social status amongst the group.

It is important to pass these and show that you are dominant in even the most challenging circumstances. It will make you feel more comfortable in uncomfortable environments and help build your confidence all making you more successful with women in the end.

Also, in this situation it was wrong for me to be annoyed at my manager. I should have been annoyed by my response to my manager.

Eventually I understood that and through trial and error figured out the proper response to him.

I changed myself to fix the problem. Always remember that your social status can change if you can change yourself to the better.

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  • Gregory Arkadin
    June 27th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    “think that “tests” are not unique to women and that there are constant “AMOG tests” amongst men that help determine their social status amongst the group.”

    I remember at work once this one manager asked this guy , who was african-american, to shovel the sidewalk, even though the manager was from another area. I took this as racist, but you would be surprised at the kind of shit that goes on out there.

    How would you handle if a guy is asking you to do something not just at work but in social situations as well. Guys always do this if they want to lower your status, it’s probably the oldest slight in the book.
    I remember some guy came into my set when I had just opened and he shook my hand and said “watch my little sisters”…But in a way it was a set up, if you refuse to shake his hand you look rude, but if you shake his hand it becomes like a compliance jesture.

  • Mack Tight
    June 27th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    This past weekend I was leaving a wedding reception and shook everyone’s hand or hugged them before leaving.

    I put out my hand for one of my guy friends to shake and he just put out his fist instead. I instinctively gave him a fist pound and at the time thought nothing of it.

    In reflection he took control of the interaction and I was the one complying with him instead of him complying with me. Everyone at the table saw it and subconsciously his status was raised in their mind.

    In regards to his statement “watch my little sisters”, that is a good one. He is basically saying you are no threat and sets you up as his monkey servant. You are just babysitting the girls until he comes back.

    If a guy is cool, I’m cool but if he is a douche then I turn the tables on him subtly.

    I would have said something like the following in a cocky/funny/sarcastic way:

    “Suuuuuuuuure! You go play now. But don’t come crawling back to us for help if you get into trouble now…”

    If he does come back I’d immediately say:

    “Now what did you get yourself into!”

  • Gregory Arkadin
    June 27th, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    “In regards to his statement “watch my little sisters”, that is a good one. He is basically saying you are no threat and sets you up as his monkey servant. You are just babysitting the girls until he comes back. ”

    Maybe he wanted to give that impression to the girls, but the guy came into the set (he had been working these two hbs earlier) within two minutes of me opening, just as I was starting to get some intrigue going, he swooped in. when I guy jumps in that early it is usually harder to blow them off since I did not have enough connnection built up. I guy will only do that if he views you as a threat and knows yoy have high value to offer the chickies.

    I mean if a one legged albino with an eye patch opened them I doubt the guy would get all flustered.

    Looking back it it would have been better to open the guy (as uncomfortable as that may be) earlier, ignore the targets and try to ingratiate myself

  • seduction
    June 29th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    I was going to say something different but then I finished reading your post. What I liked about it was that you recognized it was not a problem with your manager but a problem with your response. A person who consciously tries to AMOG people and put them in their place is a person who isn’t secure with them self. Why do you think middle school is rough for so many kids? Insecurity! The guy who never acknowledges someone else is trying to put them down is a guy who is impervious to being AMOGged. Only you have the ability to let yourself get tooled. It’s all about how you respond. If I recognize someone is trying to AMOG me (which rarely happens because I set a strong frame), I’ll generally see that as an insecurity on their part. SO for me, my response is going to try to empower them/remove their insecurity but at the same time let them know that I’m not to be fucked with. It’s a balancing act.

  • Gregory Arkadin
    June 30th, 2008 at 10:33 am

    ?I’ll generally see that as an insecurity on their part. SO for me, my response is going to try to empower them/remove their insecurity but at the same time let them know that I’m not to be fucked with. It’s a balancing act.”

    what would be an example of that?

  • Mack Tight
    June 30th, 2008 at 11:09 am

    I think a bully may pick on the weak because they are insecure BUT I think a guy will AMOG because it is a highly effective way of destroying the competition and helps them get laid.

    Most AMOG tactics are effective at exposing a chump’s lack of confidence and social inability to women. They fuck with chumps’ minds and put them out of contention.

    I am not an advocate of “empowering” AMOGs. I am an advocate of turning the tables on them and fucking up their game. Make them YOUR dancing monkey.

  • Gregory Arkadin
    June 30th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    “Most AMOG tactics are effective at exposing a chump’s lack of confidence and social inability to women. They fuck with chumps’ minds and put them out of contention”

    I ve seen guys get amogged but usually the guy that does it doesn’t have any other skills with women. All they do is blow out the guy, but I rarely see them get a number. Basically, you stand there and spend time trying to blow out the guy so you can get back to the women.

  • Mack Tight
    June 30th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    So Gregory, you mentioned the situation where the guy came in and shook your hand and told you to keep an eye on his little sisters. I didn’t catch what happened when it was all said and done.

    What was the outcome of it?

  • Gregory Arkadin
    June 30th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    well this happened a while ago during a televised football game. These two 10 s walked in, one hisapnic looking the other very blond..both buxom. while they came in, I was already talking with this girl from a five set who I wasn’t really attracted to. while this was going on some guy was talking with the two hotties seated at the bar. I noticed the guy was buying them mixed drinks that he would pour into a shot glass. when I wasn’t speaking with this girl anymore and the guy had left, I said
    “wow, you guys are lucky, your getting free drinks tonight”

    The girl said that this guy owed them. I then said that the one girl who was blond was a brunete version of the other and vice a versa. They said they get that a lot. I then said something like, do people become friends becasue they are similar, or become similar because they are friends. At that moment the dude swooped in and introduced himself with a hand shake. naively I thought “cool he is going to introduce me to the hb’s” but instead gave me a amog line. He turned his back on me and put his arms around the two hotties while his back and the girls backs were facing away from me towards the bar in a footbal huddle. He barnacled himself that way for the rest of the evening . eventually they left, but the girls went in one direction and the dude and his group went in another. I don’t think he got a #, but who knows.

    I was pissed a because I could feel the momentum about ready to turn and I was ready to get into some better themes/material with the gal.s

    I would agree with you about not empowering/befriending amogs. If a guy is in a hater frame and sees himself as “alpha” , it’s there belief that there personality is good enough for women , but they have to “take out the piss” of the competition.

  • Mack Tight
    June 30th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Damn, you don’t see too many buxom 10’s in Milwaukee! Just out of curiosity can you give me a general idea of the venue, like maybe what street it is on?

    The guy got in the middle of the girls and totally blocked you out with his body which was a smart move on his part. It sounds like a tough situation, when you thought about it afterward do you think there was anything you could have done to prevent it from happening again?

  • Gregory Arkadin
    June 30th, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    “Damn, you don’t see too many buxom 10’s in Milwaukee! ”

    No, that’ s the problem, guys do even more bizarre shit with 10’s then they would do with regular hbs

    “Just out of curiosity can you give me a general idea of the venue, like maybe what street it is on?”

    Van Buren or Mason, not sure which

    “The guy got in the middle of the girls and totally blocked you out with his body which was a smart move on his part. It sounds like a tough situation, when you thought about it afterward do you think there was anything you could have done to prevent it from happening again?”

    Hard to say. I was already talking with someone and this other guy was working the two set. even if I open the guy, and then open the girsl it still won’t neutralize the guy…the other alternative is to ignore the guy or somehow blow him out with amog tactics, but that’s too much effort and I don’t really want to spend time on a guy..it’s like chattin up an ug. The other would be to go rsd and “claw:” the girl into a bubble where you basically block out everyone., but it’s really not my style

    The times that have worked best for me is when I get enough atraction and a guy is trying to take her away he will get rebuffed by the girl since this guy is being seen as someone who is disrupting her expereince with someone she likes and no matter he does he looks desperate and needy.

  • sean
    December 4th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    The problem in this situation is that it’s a professional work environment and the line manager is obviously confident. There are alot of assumptions to be made about this situation and it is biased wholly. First things first, you are the subordinate…this other guy is your manager. Secondly, you are only assuming he is testing you. So ask these questions of yourself. How does he see me, Does he like me, How does he normally communicate to me, Does he ever give me a hard time. Does he reward me for my loyalty to him, Does he see me as an asset etc. Gather the information over a period of time with this guy. For all you know he might or does really like you but cannot show you this because of the line of demarkation that seperates you hierarchically.

    I would start to observe his body language around other people and especially women and more importantly when he is with or around you in general circumstances. Also take a mental note of his verbal language, tonality etc. Is he a bully, is his behaviour inappropriate, is he threatening to other people, or does he remind you of someone that you also felt like this with.

    Maybe this guy is relatively new to having authority or just has poor management skills so if that is the case go buy the 5 minute manager book and sneak it on his desk lol

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